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They are entirely responsible for nearly every single thing that has gone to hell for as far back as the 1920's
But for the progressives Vietnam would not have ended as it did.
But for the Progressives the US would have been off the gold standard and like those nations that were would have missed out on the worse f the great depression.
But for progressives The most recent recession would not have happened because the tipping point the one single element at the heart of it all - stupid lending policy - would never have happened.
But for the progressives the World Trade Towers would still be standing and those three thousand plus people would still be alive today.
Progressives should be rounded up and put in detention centers.
But for the progressives Vietnam would not have ended as it did.
But for the Progressives the US would have been off the gold standard and like those nations that were would have missed out on the worse f the great depression.
But for progressives The most recent recession would not have happened because the tipping point the one single element at the heart of it all - stupid lending policy - would never have happened.
But for the progressives the World Trade Towers would still be standing and those three thousand plus people would still be alive today.
Progressives should be rounded up and put in detention centers.
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Re: Progressives are responsible for the World Trade tower attacks.
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:06 PMUnintelligent fascist ranting -
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Re: Progressives are responsible for the World Trade tower attacks.
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:09 PMApparently he has no use for things like free speech or pluralism. Just do away with anything that gets in the way of the rich and powerful.
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Re: Progressives are responsible for the World Trade tower attacks.
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 8:25 AMOh, come on, Stickboy. Cliff never fails to makes me laugh with his postings. Out loud, in this case. Cheers, Cliff! ; )
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:13 PM911research.wtc7.net/disinfo...ney.html
Dick Cheney
Cover Stories of the People in Charge
Vice President Dick Cheney was in the White House during the attack. He said he learned of the attack from a clerical secretary.
Interestingly, Cheney, in an interview with Tim Russert on NBC, indicated that the President made the decision that day to scramble fighter jets. This is very unusual, as it is contrary to standard operating procedures, and raises the question of whether and why the President delayed the scrambling of jets. Here is the text of Vice President Cheney's comments on NBC: 1
Tim Russert: "What's the most important decision you think he (President Bush) made during the course of the day?"
VP Cheney: "Well, the, I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft ... We decided to do it."
Here Cheney cleverly attempts to confuse the listener into thinking that "intercept" means "shoot down". In fact the routine procedure of interception consists of flying fighter jets to within close proximity to the off-course aircraft, and attempting to make visual contact with whoever is in the cockpit.
As the attack unfolded, news reports stated that Cheney had been whisked to a secret and secure location -- later revealed to be the Presidential Emergency Operating Center in the basement of the White House. Cheney was with National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, directing the response to the attack. Or was he directing the attack? The testimony of Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta is suggestive in this regard.
MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?
MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" 2
Hamilton indicates that "the orders" were to shoot down commercial aircraft. But Mineta's account makes more sense if "the orders" were not to shoot down any such aircraft. The repeated questioning of Cheney by the junior officer whether "the orders still stand" had to be about whether the order NOT to destroy them still stood. Given the two prior attacks against the Twin Towers using the commercial airliners as weapons, an order to destroy the plane approaching the Pentagon would be the only order to give and would not be subject to question by a junior officer as the plane approached. Furthermore, had Cheney's order been to fire on the plane approaching the Pentagon (which first came near the White House), the anti-missile anti-aircraft capacity of the Pentagon (or White House), would have sufficed to take out that plane, and certainly to have attempted to take out that plane. Neither occurred, and since Mineta does not speak of a last-second change by Cheney, the only supportable conclusion is that Cheney's order was NOT to defend the Pentagon, an order so contrary to both common sense and military defense that it, and it alone, explains the repeated questioning by the junior officer. 3
References
1. The Vice President appears on Meet the Press with Tim Russert, Whitehouse.gov, 9/16/01 [cached]
www.whitehouse.gov/vicepres...0916.html
2. Public Hearing; Panel 1: September 11, 2001: The Attacks and the Response, 9-11commission.gov, 5/23/03 [cached]
www.9-11commission.gov/archiv...-23.htm
3. How They Get Away With It, 9-11 Research,
911research.wtc7.net/essays/...hIt.html
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:14 PM911research.wtc7.net/disinfo...eld.html
Donald Rumsfeld
Cover Stories of the People in Charge
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was number two in the United States military command structure. He was working in the east side of the Pentagon on the morning of September 11th. Rumsfeld told Larry King on the December 5th talk show that he knew nothing about the World Trade Center attack until 15 minutes before the Pentagon was hit, and even then wasn't told that a plane was headed for the Pentagon. 1
The Pentagon is the headquarters of the U.S. military, with the most advanced communications links to the NORAD control center at Cheyenne Mountain. We are supposed to believe that no one bothered to tell him that four jetliners had been hijacked, and two of them flown into the Twin Towers. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:16 PMGeneral Myers
Cover Stories of the People in Charge
General Richard Myers was Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on September 11th, and would be confirmed as Chairman just two days later. As Acting Chairman, Myers was the highest-ranking military official, and the principal military advisor to the President. 1
Myers was on Capitol Hill on September 11th, and went into a meeting with Senator Cleland to discuss his upcoming confirmation hearings after the first tower was hit. In an October interview Myers said that before the meeting he saw a television playing, and someone said that a plane had hit the World Trade Center:
They thought it was a small airplane or something like that. So we walked in and we did the office call with Senator Cleland.
The World Trade Center, known as a prime terrorist target since the 1993 bombing, is hit by a jet and there is live television coverage showing the 150-foot wide gaping hole in the building with fire and smoke belching out, and the second hijacking has just been reported, but Myers doesn't stop to look into it! Myers continued:
Sometime during that office call the second tower was hit. Nobody informed us of that. But when we came out, that was obvious. Then right at that time somebody said the Pentagon has been hit. 2
The Pentagon was hit at least 34 minutes after the second of the Twin Towers was hit, and almost an hour and a half after the FAA knew that Flight 11 was hijacked. Yet no one had interrupted Myers' meeting with the Senator to tell him the news?
On September 13th, Myers appeared before the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing that confirmed his appointment as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Committee Chairman Senator Carl Levin asked Myers if the FAA, FBI, or any other agency had contacted the Defense Department after the jets crashed into the Twin Towers and before the Pentagon was hit. Myers replied that he did not know the answer.
In 2005, Myers was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. 3
References
1. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, jcs.mil, [cached]
www.jcs.mil/chairman/chairman_resp.html
2. Interview, General Richard B. Myers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, US Armed Forces Radio and Television Service, 10/17/01 [cached]
web.archive.org/web/200111...terview.htm
3. General Myers receives Presidential Medal of Freedom, af.mil, 11/10/05 [cached]
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:19 PMGeorge W. Bush
Cover Stories of the People in Charge
George W. Bush had important business to attend to on September 11th: reading a book, The Pet Goat, with second-graders in Emma T. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida, ostensibly to promote his "education program". Before entering the classroom around 9:02 AM he was aware of the crash of Flight 11 into the North Tower. Later he said:
And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it." 1
Since the only known footage of the North Tower impact was not played on TV until much later, his statement being true would mean that his Secret Service detail had access to video from a secret camera trained on the North Tower at the time of the first impact.
At 9:06, as Bush sat in front of the class, Andrew Card approached him whispered something into his ear, taking less than two seconds. He is supposed to have told Bush that a second plane hit the towers. Bush looked momentarily befuddled. He did not ask his staff for further details. He remained seated and read out loud with the kids for at least eight more minutes, not leaving the classroom until 9:16.
While still in the classroom, Ari Fleischer signaled him, according to Bill Sammon:
"But--the--goat--did--some--things--that--made--the--girl's--dad--mad."
"Let's clean that up," Mrs. Daniels said.
The president noticed someone moving at the back of the room. It was
White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, maneuvering to catch his attention
without alerting the press. Mr. Fleischer was holding up a legal pad.
Big block letters were scrawled on the cardboard backing: DON'T SAY
ANYTHING YET. The remarks drafted earlier would be woefully inadequate.
"The--goat--ate--things."
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After leaving the classroom, Bush remained in the school to delivered a brief scheduled speech, starting at 9:29 AM. Then at around 9:33, his motorcade departed from the school en route to Sarasota Airport. 3
A Big Red X
In all, the Commander-in-Chief remained at Booker Elementary School for at least 29 minutes after he was informed that the nation was under attack. Why didn't he interrupt his photo op to respond to this emergency? Did he lapse into a stupor because of shock? Even so, why did the Secret Service not immediately evacuate him to secure quarters, and why did he go on to give a speech at Booker, further publicizing his whereabouts?
The time and location of the President's classroom photo op and speech had been publicized in advance. By 9:03, it was obvious that the nation was under attack, and that the mode of the attack was to use jetliners to strike high-value targets. The failure of the Secret Service to remove the President from his publicized location for a half hour implies either that the Secret Service acted with extreme incompetence -- incompetence which has resulted in no demotions or repramands -- or that the Secret Service had the benefit of insider knowledge that the attack would not include the President.
The danger to the President implied by the official account, in which the attack was a complete surprise, becomes even more obvious when one considers the location of Booker T. Elementary School. As shown by the illustration on the right, the school lies only slightly to the southwest of the final approach path to Sarasota-Bradenton Airport (SRQ). A jetliner targeting the school and its occupants would need to divert from a normal flight path just a few seconds before impact, affording no opportunity for countermeasures.
Reported Warnings
National Security Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice later defended the administration's inaction in repelling the attack, claiming that she didn't "think anybody could have predicted that these people ... would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." To the contrary, a number of official statements and exercises showed that the administration had contemplated the use of jetliners as weapons. 4 5
On August 6, 2001, Bush had received his classified intelligence briefing, or Presidential Daily Briefing, at his ranch in Crawford, Texas. The title was: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US." 6
References
1. President Bush Holds Town Hall Meeting, CNN, 12/4/01 [cached]
www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/...04/se.04.html
2. Suddenly, a Time to Lead, Washington Times, 10/7/02 [cached]
3. Clear the Skies, Carte Blanche Interactive,
web.archive.org/web/200407...Display.asp
4. '99 Report Warned Of Suicide Hijacking, CBS News, 5/17/02 [cached]
www.cbsnews.com/stories/20...09471.shtml
5. September 11 Should Have Been Stopped, GlobalPolicy.org, 3/25/04
www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/ana...stop.htm
6. Transcript: Bin Laden determined to strike in US, CNN.com, [cached]
www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLI...august6.memo/
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:28 PMwww.scribd.com/doc/400150...-US-govern-
Osama bin Laden - a dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rror.html
Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years - and are the U.S. and Britain covering it up to continue war on terror?
The last time we heard a squeak from him was on June 3 this year.
The world's most notorious terrorist outsmarted America by releasing a menacing message as Air Force One touched down on Saudi Arabian soil at the start of Barack Obama's first and much vaunted Middle East tour.
Even before the new President alighted at Riyadh airport to shake hands with Prince Abdullah, Bin Laden's words were being aired on TV, radio and the internet across every continent.
It was yet another propaganda coup for the 52-year-old Al Qaeda leader. In the audiotape delivered to the Arab news network Al Jazeera, Bin Laden said that America and her Western allies were sowing seeds of hatred in the Muslim world and deserved dire consequences.
It was the kind of rant we have heard from him before, and the response from British and U.S. intelligence services was equally predictable.
They insisted that the details on the tape, of the President's visit and other contemporary events, proved that the mastermind of 9/11, America's worst ever terrorist atrocity, was still alive - and that the hunt for him must go on.
Bin Laden has always been blamed for orchestrating the horrific attack - in which nearly 3,000 people perished - eight years ago this week. President George W. Bush made his capture a national priority, infamously promising with a Wild West flourish to take him 'dead or alive'.
The U.S. State Department offered a reward of $50million for his whereabouts. The FBI named him one of their ten 'most wanted' fugitives, telling the public to watch out for a left-handed, grey-bearded gentleman who walks with a stick.
Yet this master terrorist remains elusive. He has escaped the most extensive and expensive man-hunt in history, stretching across Waziristan, the 1,500 miles of mountainous badlands on the borders of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Undeterred, Barack Obama has launched a fresh operation to find him. Working with the Pakistani Army, elite squads of U.S. and British special forces were sent into Waziristan this summer to 'hunt and kill' the shadowy figure intelligence officers still call 'the principal target' of the war on terror.
This new offensive is, of course, based on the premise that the 9/11 terrorist is alive. After all, there are the plethora of 'Bin Laden tapes' to prove it.
Yet what if he isn't? What if he has been dead for years, and the British and U.S. intelligence services are actually playing a game of double bluff?
What if everything we have seen or heard of him on video and audio tapes since the early days after 9/11 is a fake - and that he is being kept 'alive' by the Western allies to stir up support for the war on terror?
Incredibly, this is the breathtaking theory that is gaining credence among political commentators, respected academics and even terror experts.
Of course, there have been any number of conspiracy theories concerning 9/11, and it could be this is just another one.
But the weight of opinion now swinging behind the possibility that Bin Laden is dead - and the accumulating evidence that supports it - makes the notion, at the very least, worthy of examination.
The theory first received an airing in the American Spectator magazine earlier this year when former U.S. foreign intelligence officer and senior editor Angelo M. Codevilla, a professor of international relations at Boston University, stated bluntly: 'All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.'
9/11: Bin Laden originally insisted in official press statements that he had played no role in the atrocity
Prof Codevilla pointed to inconsistencies in the videos and claimed there have been no reputable sightings of Bin Laden for years (for instance, all interceptions by the West of communications made by the Al Qaeda leader suddenly ceased in late 2001).
Prof Codevilla asserted: 'The video and audio tapes alleged to be Osama's never convince the impartial observer,' he asserted. 'The guy just does not look like Osama. Some videos show him with a Semitic, aquiline nose, while others show him with a shorter, broader one. Next to that, differences between the colours and styles of his beard are small stuff.'
There are other doubters, too. Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University's religious studies' department and the foremost Bin Laden expert, argues that the increasingly secular language in the video and audio tapes of Osama (his earliest ones are littered with references to God and the Prophet Mohammed) are inconsistent with his strict Islamic religion, Wahhabism.
He notes that, on one video, Bin Laden wears golden rings on his fingers, an adornment banned among Wahhabi followers.
This week, still more questions have been raised with the publication in America and Britain of a book called Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive?
Written by political analyst and philosopher Professor David Ray Griffin, former emeritus professor at California's Claremont School of Theology, it is provoking shock waves - for it goes into far more detail about his supposed death and suggests there has been a cover-up by the West.
The book claims that Bin Laden died of kidney failure, or a linked complaint, on December 13, 2001, while living in Afghanistan's Tora Bora mountains close to the border with Waziristan.
His burial took place within 24 hours, in line with Muslim religious rules, and in an unmarked grave, which is a Wahhabi custom.
The author insists that the many Bin Laden tapes made since that date have been concocted by the West to make the world believe Bin Laden is alive. The purpose? To stoke up waning support for the war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan.
To understand Griffin's thesis, we must remember the West's reaction to 9/11, that fateful sunny September day in 2001. Within a month, on Sunday, October 7, the U.S. and Britain launched massive retaliatory air strikes in the Tora Bora region where they said 'prime suspect' Bin Laden was living 'as a guest of Afghanistan'.
This military offensive ignored the fact that Bin Laden had already insisted four times in official Al Qaeda statements made to the Arab press that he played no role in 9/11.
Indeed, on the fourth occasion, on September 28 and a fortnight after the atrocity, he declared emphatically: 'I have already said I am not involved. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge... nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act.'
Within hours of the October 7 strikes by the U.S. on Tora Bora, Bin Laden made his first ever appearance on video tape. Dressed in Army fatigues, and with an Islamic head-dress, he had an assault rifle propped behind him in a broadly lit mountain hideout. Significantly, he looked pale and gaunt.
Although he called President George W. Bush 'head of the infidels' and poured scorn on the U.S., he once again rejected responsibility for 9/11.
'America was hit by God in one of its softest spots. America is full of fear, from its north to its south, from its west to its east. Thank God for that.'
Then came a second videotape on November 3, 2001. Once again, an ailing Bin Laden lashed out at the United States. He urged true Muslims to celebrate the attacks - but did not at any time acknowledge he had been involved in the atrocity.
And then there was silence until December 13, 2001 - the date Griffin claims Bin Laden died. That very day, the U.S. Government released a new video of the terror chief. In this tape, Bin Laden contradicted all his previous denials, and suddenly admitted to his involvement in the atrocity of 9/11.
The tape had reportedly been found by U.S. troops in a private home in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, after anti-Taliban forces took over the city. A label attached to it claimed that it had been made on November 9, 2001.
The tape shows Bin Laden talking with a visiting sheik. In it, he clearly states that he not only knew about the 9/11 atrocities in advance, but had planned every detail personally.
What manna for the Western authorities! This put the terrorist back in the frame over 9/11. The Washington Post quoted U.S. officials saying that the video 'offers the most convincing evidence of a connection between Bin Laden and the September 11 attacks'.
A euphoric President Bush added: 'For those who see this tape, they realise that not only is he guilty of incredible murder, but he has no conscience and no soul.'
In London, Downing Street said that the video was 'conclusive proof of his involvement'. The then Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, added: 'There is no doubt it is the real thing. People can see Bin Laden there, making those utterly chilling words of admission about his guilt for organising the atrocities of September 11.'
Yet Professor Griffin claims this 'confessional' video provokes more questions than answers. For a start, the Bin Laden in this vital film testimony looks different.
He is a weighty man with a black beard, not a grey one. His pale skin had suddenly become darker, and he had a different shaped nose. His artistic hands with slender fingers had transformed into those of a pugilist. He looked in exceedingly good health.
Furthermore, Bin Laden can be seen writing a note with his right hand, although he is left-handed. Bizarrely, too, he makes statements about 9/11 which Griffin claims would never have come from the mouth of the real Bin Laden - a man with a civil engineering degree who had made his fortune (before moving into terrorism) from building construction in the Middle East.
For example, the Al Qaeda leader trumpets that far more people died in 9/11 than he had expected. He goes on: 'Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the explosion from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. That is all we had hoped for.' (In reality the Twin Towers' completely fell down).
The words of the true Bin Laden? No, says Griffin, because of the obvious mistakes. 'Given his experience as a contractor, he would have known the Twin Towers were framed with steel, not iron,' he says.
'He would also known that steel and iron do not begin to melt until they reach 2,800 deg F. Yet a building fire fed by jet fuel is a hydrocarbon fire, and could not have reached above 1,800 deg F.'
Griffin, in his explosive book, says this tape is fake, and he goes further.
'A reason to suspect that all of the post-2001 Bin Laden tapes are fabrications is that they often appeared at times that boosted the Bush presidency or supported a claim by its chief 'war on terror' ally, British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
'The confession tape came exactly when Bush and Blair had failed to prove Bin Laden's responsibility for 9/11 and both men were trying to win international public support, particularly in the Islamic world, for the anti-terrorist campaign.'
Griffin suggests that Western governments used highly sophisticated, special effects film technology to morph together images and vocal recordings of Bin Laden.
So if they are fakes, why has Al Qaeda kept quiet about it? And what exactly happened to the real Bin Laden?
The answer to the first question may be that the amorphous terrorist organisation is happy to wage its own propaganda battle in the face of waning support - and goes along with the myth that its charismatic figurehead is still alive to encourage recruitment to its cause.
As for the matter of what happened to him, hints of Bin Laden's kidney failure, or that he might be dead, first appeared on January 19, 2002, four months after 9/11.
This was when Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf told America's news show CNN: 'I think now, frankly, he is dead for the reason he is a kidney patient. The images of him show he is extremely weak.'
In his book, Professor Griffin also endorses this theory. He says Bin Laden was treated for a urinary infection, often linked to kidney disease, at the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001, two months before 9/11. At the same time, he ordered a mobile dialysis machine to be delivered to Afghanistan.
How could Bin Laden, on the run in snowy mountain caves, have used the machine that many believe was essential to keep him alive? Doctors whom Griffin cites on the subject think it would have been impossible.
He would have needed to stay in one spot with a team of medics, hygienic conditions, and a regular maintenance programme for the dialysis unit itself.
And what of the telling, small news item that broke on December 26, 2001 in the Egyptian newspaper Al-Wafd? It said a prominent official of the Afghan Taliban had announced that Osama Bin Laden had been buried on or about December 13.
'He suffered serious complications and died a natural, quiet death. He was buried in Tora Bora, a funeral attended by 30 Al Qaeda fighters, close members of his family and friends from the Taliban. By the Wahhabi tradition, no mark was left on the grave,' said the report.
The Taliban official, who was not named, said triumphantly that he had seen Bin Laden's face in his shroud. 'He looked pale, but calm, relaxed and confident.'
It was Christmas in Washington DC and London and the report hardly got a mention. Since then, the Bin Laden tapes have emerged with clockwork regularity as billions have been spent and much blood spilt on the hunt for him.
Bin Laden has been the central plank of the West's 'war on terror'. Could it be that, for years, he's just been smoke and mirrors? -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:40 PMStickboy, you will not convince anybody by flooding a thread with a different topic. You are just annoying people. Why not start you own thread? -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:53 PMI am shining some light on the issue. Posting who is actually responsible for September 9-11's attacks is not a different topic.
Posting yet another thread when there are already two on the topic of conspiracies already is pointless.
www.amazon.com/Crossing-R.../0865715408
Editorial Reviews
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"Ruppert's hefty book is meant to make us think and inspire us all to be courageous against the forces that want us to live in fear" - Nexus, December 2004.
Product Description
The attacks of September 11, 2001 were accomplished through an amazing orchestration of logistics and personnel. Crossing the Rubicon discovers and identifies key suspects - finding some of them in the highest echelons of American government - by showing how they acted in concert to guarantee that the attacks produced the desired result.
Crossing the Rubicon is unique not only for its case-breaking examination of 9/11, but for the breadth and depth of its world picture - an interdisciplinary analysis of petroleum, geopolitics, narco-traffic, intelligence and militarism - without which 9/11 cannot be understood.
The US manufacturing sector has been mostly replaced by speculation on financial data whose underlying economic reality is a dark secret. Hundreds of billions of dollars in laundered drug money flow through Wall Street each year from opium and coca fields maintained by CIA-sponsored warlords and US-backed covert paramilitary violence. America's global dominance depends on a continually turning mill of guns, drugs, oil and money. Oil and natural gas - the fuels that make economic growth possible - are subsidized by American military force and foreign lending.
In reality, 9/11 and the resulting "War on Terror" are parts of a massive authoritarian response to an emerging economic crisis of unprecedented scale. Peak Oil - the beginning of the end for our industrial civilization - is driving the elites of American power to implement unthinkably draconian measures of repression, warfare and population control. Crossing the Rubicon is more than a story. It is a map of the perilous terrain through which, together and alone, we are all now making our way. -
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Re: Progressives are responsible for the World Trade tower attacks.
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:00 PMwww.bradblog.com/
By Brad Friedman on 7/31/2009 1:07PM
Ryland: A Sibel Edmonds 'Bombshell' - Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Until 9/11
Edmonds expert fills in details from recent BRAD BLOG interview with noted, gagged FBI translator/whistleblower...
During my recent interview with FBI translator-turned-whistleblower Sibel Edmonds on the Mike Malloy Show, a caller had asked her opinion on whether she believed 9/11 to have been "an inside job."
Edmonds replied by first specifying "As I have done for the past 7 or 8 years, I have basically stuck with what I know, first-hand, directly, my own knowledge, based on my own experience, based on what I obtained, which is not a lot, but it is extremely important."
After explaining the difference between what she does and doesn't know first hand, she went on to explain: "I have information about things that our government has lied to us about. I know. For example, to say that since the fall of the Soviet Union we ceased all of our intimate relationship with Bin Laden and the Taliban - those things can be proven as lies, very easily, based on the information they classified in my case, because we did carry very intimate relationship with these people, and it involves Central Asia, all the way up to September 11." ...
Her complete response, pulled from the lengthy interview (full, commercial-free audio here) has been transcribed by Luke Ryland, perhaps the world's foremost expert in all things Sibel Edmonds related.
Today in a highly-recommended diary at dKos, Ryland filled in a good chunk of details from Edmonds' references, reporting that her comments are, in fact, a "bombshell"...
Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds dropped a bombshell on the Mike Malloy radio show, guest-hosted by Brad Friedman (audio, partial transcript).
In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained 'intimate relations' with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, "all the way until that day of September 11."
These 'intimate relations' included using Bin Laden for 'operations' in Central Asia, including Xinjiang, China. These 'operations' involved using al Qaeda and the Taliban in the same manner "as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict," that is, fighting 'enemies' via proxies.
As Sibel has previously described, and as she reiterates in this latest interview, this process involved using Turkey (with assistance from 'actors from Pakistan, and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia') as a proxy, which in turn used Bin Laden and the Taliban and others as a proxy terrorist army.
After filling in many of the details, with scores of informational links to support the allegations, Ryland summarizes thusly:
The bombshell here is obviously that certain people in the US were using Bin Laden up to September 11, 2001.
It is important to understand why: the US outsourced terror operations to al Qaeda and the Taliban for many years, promoting the Islamization of Central Asia in an attempt to personally profit off military sales as well as oil and gas concessions.
The silence by the US government on these matters is deafening. So, too, is the blowback.
Read his full diary here, along with the (currently) 445 comments in response to it.
www.dailykos.com/story/200...-till-9-11
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Re: Progressives are responsible for the World Trade tower attacks.
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 4:23 PMHA HA Ha The truth is hard to handle for some.
Here it's like striking a flint in a tinder box.
The crazies and conspiracy theorists and assorted mental defectives come out to say: "BOO"
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Re: Progressives are responsible for the World Trade tower attacks.
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 4:26 PMI must thank you for at least driving the traffic in this tribe. -
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Re: Progressives are responsible for the World Trade tower attacks.
Fri, November 6, 2009 - 7:27 PMyou are more than welcome.
There is however a nominal fee of one dollar.
Send it to the address on the back of the bear.
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