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"WASHINGTON (AFP) -- The U.S. Senate approved a fiercely worded resolution Thursday that attempts to formally apologize for the "fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery" of African-Americans.
The unanimous voice vote came five months after Barack Obama became the first black U.S. president, and ahead of the June 19 "Juneteenth" celebration of the emancipation of African-Americans at the end of the Civil War in 1865."
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"WASHINGTON (AFP) -- The U.S. Senate approved a fiercely worded resolution Thursday that attempts to formally apologize for the "fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery" of African-Americans.
The unanimous voice vote came five months after Barack Obama became the first black U.S. president, and ahead of the June 19 "Juneteenth" celebration of the emancipation of African-Americans at the end of the Civil War in 1865."
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Wed, June 24, 2009 - 8:04 AMSad that it took this long to get one. I guess they supposed they had to now?
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Wed, June 24, 2009 - 11:59 AMOh goody.
Now all they gotta do is invent a time machine so they can go hand it to the poor bastards who actually were slaves.
Pointless stupid doctor feelgood crapola.
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Wed, June 24, 2009 - 12:58 PMGenerally speaking, there is no harm in apology. -
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 5:20 PM>Generally speaking, there is no harm in apology.
There is potential harm in asserting a false position from which to apologize.
No one in the present Senate had any say in the slavery matter.
One further implication is that probable descendants of slave owners also ought to apologize for something no one asked them about while it was happening.
I categorically oppose slavery and I reject the idea that slavery was ever necessary, but I´m not going to apologize for shit, and I resent the implication by elected officials.
If they want to wash their hands of something, maybe they should chose one of the various current injustices in which they are complicit. -
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 8:56 AMThanks, but you're supposed to ask me why I hate black people.
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 10:20 AMI just tell people I'm an Octoroon -
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 9:56 AMI just tell them I hate everybody.
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 12:45 PM<< that probable descendants of slave owners also ought to apologize for something no one asked them about while it was happening. >>
It also assumes said people got even the slightest material benefit from great-great grandad's property arrangements! Anyone who has ever spent five minutes in Dixie or even read a lick about Reconstruction and Redemption in the South knows what surreal bullshit that is. The whole region's common heritage from slavery is the crushing poverty and corruption it STILL knows.
Still, if an apology can scrub this karma clean, then issue a hundred of them! -
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 2:19 PMi think we should look forward, not backward and in looking forward we should make sure that every american has the opportunity to be successful. . .through good health care for all, and excellent education and a great, vibrant economy. . -
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 9:53 AM>i think we should look forward
Great idea... except that it's generally more socially accepted to apologize for things that have been done than for things one is about to do.
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 9:35 PM"Generally speaking, there is no harm in apology. "
Except the lawsuits that are now possible against the government as the admitted their wrong, thus making them liable in a civil court of law.
I wonder what the government will do, financially, to "compensate" for murder, beatings, slavery, racism..is there a dollar value for that?
+SW->
P.S. Of course I think slavery was/is wrong..duhhh. I just think the government didn't really think through their admittance of guilt and the end result. -
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 10:53 AMWhat is the federal statute of limitations on selective genocide? -
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 3:22 AMI know it was sarcasm with the selective genocide part, but....I don't believe there is a statute of limitations for murder. However, since the killers would now, mostly be dead(Along with my brain this morning, lol) the only recourse would be a civil suit. On that end, there are limitations pertaining to the different cities and states of which you'd have to look up for each area.
+BW->
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 7:26 PM************* Generally speaking, there is no harm in apology. **************
Maybe, maybe not. It's still pointless shit. -
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 12:36 PM<<It's still pointless shit.
Easy to say coming from an old White Male. It may mean at least a little something to those who had parents who were slaves. -
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 1:56 PMWhen an apology was made in our House of Commons last spring to the First Nations people for the atrocities committed during the assimilation policy of residential schools, I wondered in advance how much effect it would have. Fortunately it was the event of the day and people across the nation made time to view it. It was profoundly moving to watch the tears of the native peoples as the apology washed away years of abuse metaphorically.
Now for the literal impact, we are holding a Truth and Reconciliation commission to travel across the country so the stories will be recorded for all time.
There is more work to do, as the First Nations people are still living in Third World conditions on their reserves but that too is coming.
I feel proud to have been part of my church's committee that helped raise the funds to pay our portion of the retribution for the schools that our church ran. We paid off our portion in 2 years instead of the 5 years allotted. I believe many Canadians are happy to put this soridid chapter behind us.
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 4:53 PM>Apologies that are sincere and heartfelt can be the beginning of some profound changes.
Which is why the US Senate should be looking at apologizing to living people who have actually been screwed in various ways,
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 7:14 PMOrangeboxman G;
I beg to differ. Although it was not I who perpetrated these atrocities on the First Nations of our land, I was thrilled to put the issue behind us, happy to raise money for restitution and delighted to watch the apology on national television from our House of Commons. I will heartily participate in the Truth and Reconciliation hearings.
This apology and commission marks the beginning of a new relationship between Canadians and the First Nations people within the national borders here. Now we can seek to resolve things that have been left undone because we have formally marked the end of the period of assimilation policy by our federal government.
The damage done by the Slavery Bill and by the assimilation policy here lasts for generations and cannot be swept under the rug as being merely past errors done by long dead people. No, by apologizing, we allow the new relationship to begin between peoples hurt by these policies and those who perpetrated them.
I would be a fool to think that I have not also been hurt by the assimilation policy or to believe that Canada has not also been hurt by this policy. We will all be better because of the apology because First Nations peoples will now be able to get past the horrid history.
I believe the same is true for the US. Your white people and immigrants were damaged by the Slavery Bill too. Your country was mightily set back by not allowing the full participation of black people in your system, by not allowing the development of their full potential your country is less than it could have been. It damages your country to this day to treat anyone as a second class citizen. -
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 7:17 PMThe First Nations people who live near me have a saying and it is common for many tribes: all things that you do will have an impact for seven generations, choose carefully your path.
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 8:07 AM***********I was thrilled to put the issue behind us, ****************
That's just it. The idiots who want you to grovel for shit you ain't done will NEVER let you put it behind you. They will haul your miserable white ass out every year for some annual apology tour.
This sort of crap is their Bread and Butter.
They are racists all the way down to their itty bitty toenails
They NEED a permanent victim class of poor benighted bastards of some demographic group over whom they can lord their wonderful liberal charity treating whole races of people like they are sub human creatures that forever need to be uplifted, underpinned, empowered, apologized to and supported in various and sundry ways.
And all of it - - Every little bit of it - - - is all rotted in the most invidious racism ever. It is the most pernicious crippling form of racist thinking and conduct you will ever see.
The nasty bastard with a white hood and a burning cross is at the least honest about it. There is n no mistaking his intent. He will shout it out loud for you if he thinks you have missed his racist hate fuilled position.
The liberal on the other is predenting to something else while all the time deliberately creating a permanent class of subordinate people who - but for - the liberal's intervention would be unable to eat mashed potatoes in a brightly lit room lined with mirrors using a fucking spoon. So the leftist has programs and plans and empowerment seminars and hand outs and charities GALORE to teach these poor pathetic worthless bastards how to be empowered and humanized. However, for reasons that escape even the most careful scrutiny - no one ever seems to actually learn to shovel those mashed potatoes intheir maws without that continual freight train of liberal assistince and empoowerment and shit.
This whole permanent victim class to which the liberal mind is wedded, is the most pernicious evil invidious racism ever devised by humans.
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 2:39 PM>Your country was mightily set back by not allowing the full participation of black people in your system, by not allowing the development of their full potential your country is less than it could have been. It damages your country to this day to treat anyone as a second class citizen.
This is not analogous to the situation between Canada and it's First nations Peoples.
If the US Senate wanted to offer an official apology to any of the governments of the various so-called Indian Nations, that would be analogous. If it costs something, that would also make some sense.
But the slavery apology doesn't cost anything, and doesn't provide any compensation to anyone still being clearly adversely affected by what happened before the emancipation.
It is a straw dog offered on the altar of expedient racial politics, and the people who are posited as the ostensible benificiaries of this act will get NOTHING from it, except what I understand they have come to know as 'more shuck and jive from The Man'.
Doing things this way actually takes the racial dialogue a step backward.
For further pertinent discussion of the phrase 'we are sorry',
please allow me to refer you to Milk And Cheese Comics, "Milk and Cheese are Sorry"
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 8:00 PM"This is not analogous to the situation between Canada and it's First nations Peoples. "
Yes, I suppose you are correct, in that, there is no follow-up after the apology and no one is the better off for it except possibily in a symbolic way.
Cliff; I have to disagree that either the First Nations people or the Canadian people are victimized by the apology. This entire process takes us out of victimhood. The residential schools abuse caused victimhood among the First Nations people with much alcoholism, high suicide rates and other expressions of this malaise.
Now, you can witness for yourself that the First Nations communities are becoming more vocal and are looking into solving the problems. What I find most encouraging is that they realized that the alcoholism, child abuse, etc, were destroying their communities and they were the ones who outlined the process they expected to assist them including the apology, the restitution funds and now the Truth and Reconciliation commission.
And I find myself with less of a burden too - one didn't know how to help the First Nations people with the suicide rates, alcoholism, etc. because there was a barrier between the communities which allowed only a hand-wringing when you heard the news of 12 suicides in a week on one reserve. It's as if it was wrong to make an effort to assist but now it is welcome.
I live near a reservation and have all of my life. The maps of our area did not show the roads that were on the reservation - it was a blank area on the map. I didn't even know it was there until I met a First Nations person at high school. Once the apology occurred last June, I ventured down a road that lead into this area and I stopped at the first tiny store to ask questions. I'm sure they thought I was crazy at the time but now I go there regularly to pick up a copy of "Turtle Island", their weekly newspaper and to make acquaintance of whoever is there.
The other day I was there and saw a poster for a PowWow dance competition. I asked if anyone could attend and was assured that I would be welcome. I am most certainly going to go.
We are not victims, we are free.
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Wed, June 24, 2009 - 7:33 PM"Pointless stupid doctor feelgood crapola. "
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Wed, June 24, 2009 - 11:42 PMBetter this then nothing...
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 7:28 PM-*****************How is it pointless? ****************
It accomplishes nothing.
It wastes time money and effort on nothing
It is made up crap by people who have no connection to slavery
It benefits no one who was a slave.
It's all stupid pointless horse shit.
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 7:56 AMApologize for something you did not do, to someone who did not have it done to them.
This assumes racial responsibility over individual responsibility, and as such, it is fundamentally a racist premise...the kind of thinking we need to overcome. Blacks today are not slaves, whites today are not slave owners..no victims, no perps.
What's more, those whose ansestors owned slaves and whose families financially benefitted for generations may have some guilt to deal with, but those people are fewer and further between than you think.
My own family is white yes...but they did not come to the US until the 1960's..does that mean I should apologize for American History prior to my familiys arrival?
Should I demand an apology from Italians alive today for the war against the "Barbarians" 2000 years ago? Should I demand an apology from egyptians alive today for the slavery of my jewish ancestors 4000 years ago? Should I demand a piece of the tourist pie around the pyramids because I might have a relative who built it?
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 9:52 AMThis is why I think it sets a very bad precedent. -
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 6:11 AMIf I was a black man I would say...too little, too late...go f--k yourselves...
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Re: Apology for Slavery Bill
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 7:54 AMMorgan Freeman said it best:
"STOP CALLING ME A BLACK MAN~!!!"
www.ihatethemedia.com/morgan-...-history
It is pure gold.
"Black history is American History"
